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New York was the next. Now the suspec treportedly said so in the second round of questioning with interrogators. Hesays that is, that's where he and his brother were heading, not to party, as he first reportedly said in the first interrogation, but to use their remainingexplosives where they'd do the most carnage. Now that's one view and it's a pparently shared by the New York Police Commissioner¹ Ray Kelly. Now that's said the other comes from someone also in a position to know things, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Republican Mike Rogers. Here's what he said. 

 

What we know happened is that we do believe they had a plan for another attack. They had actually built the devices and notused them. But from the investigators² I have been talking to, they believe it was going to be probably more likely in the Boston area.

 

Another very full night starting with Mary Snow in Times Square in New York. 

 

Mary, Nick Paton Walsh is also in Russia,in Dagestan, former Massachusetts Homeland Security advisor³, Juliette Kayyem,she is currently a Boston Globe columnist⁴. And on the phone, joining us, is former Homeland Security advisor Fran Townsend, who currently sits on the Homeland Security and CIA External Advisory⁵ Panels. Appreciate all of you being with us. 

 

Mary, Mayor Bloomberg isn't the only onesaying that Manhattan was a target for the brothers. Who else? 

 

Correct. Ray Kelly, the policecommissioner, as you mentioned, both of these New York City officials werebriefed by the FBI about this and with all the information that they weregiven. Anderson, they said they were told that there was talk about targetingTimes Square and the way the police commissioner described these discussions.He said that these were spontaneous discussions that came about apparently⁶ from the information that the FBI relayed to them is that the brothers had talkedabout this after they were said to have hijacked⁷ that Mercedes SUV. 

 

Juliette, I mean, does it surprise you atall that there are these competing narratives⁸ you have from Mike Rogers, you have from New York officials?

 

Not at all. I mean I think what we knewafter such a long fire fight, in such a long week that will be different impressions of what happened. It isn't that someone is lying and someone istelling the truth. It is there are so many different inputs⁹ so the commissioner is hearing from one group of people, the mayor another. I actually think thesestories are probably not as inconsistent as we think. It is very likely and this is what I've always thought they did plan on doing something more onBoston. And there was no whether explanation for why they stay here. They've been panic because they were identified they try to get a car, they try to takethe money for ATM card. And they come up with some scheme, OK, let's get to NewYork. It's possible that both stories are true. 

 

New York officials do acknowledge that thewhole New York story is what sort of impromptu¹⁰ to thing, not something that they believe was preplanned.

 

Right. And so the fact that he is becomingmore lucid¹¹ willing to tell things, may have something to do with he's sort of realizing I have between， you know， choosing the death penalty orpossibly a life sentence. So this may be the consequence of these interrogations.And this is going to happen for weeks to come. I mean we've seen this in crisesbefore, that the story evolves, that you can't say that person was lying or that was false. It's literally¹² the information comes out more clearly overtime¹³. 

 

I want to go to Nick Paton Walsh inDagestan. 

 

Nick, we're also learning new details aboutthe mother. Apparently she was also placed on the CIA watch list. What do you know about this? 

 

Well, she has not referred to that herself at all of course. But I mean, we can imagine the context in which it may have happened. It is clear that she and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, her eldest¹⁴ son, the alleged¹⁵ Boston bomber¹⁶, chose a path towards a more devout¹⁷ strand¹⁸ of the Muslim faith, round about the same time. She told me in fact, she was influenced by him to cover up her hair and in fact, both felt a sense of shame when this character Misha, a family friend in Armenia, their lives converted to the Islamic faith and whose life came to their house. He was so much more devout and he seemed to have, quote, opened their eyes to the pure nature of the Islamic faith they should have been following. So a definite time when they both moved in the same direction. And then we have the FBI turning up at some point she recounts to me being absolutely clear that they're concerned about Tamerlan'sradical nature of his belief, that's her own words, and saying that he should be monitored. So, obviously, a switch there towards the devout Muslim faith,interest from the FBI and these both seem to tally¹⁹ with both the son and the mother at the same time, choosing to go in that direction of their religion.

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