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PBS高端访谈:荷兰调查人员是如何追踪击落MH17的导弹来源?

时间：2016-03-14 05:30:02

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 　　JUDY WOODRUFF: We look at some of the details of today's findings with a longtime investigator1. Peter Goelz is a former managing director of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. He oversaw2 the investigation3, among others, of TWA Flight 800 that crashed off Long Island almost 20 years ago and speculation4 then of whether a missile brought it down.

　　Peter Goelz, welcome back to the program.
　　How good a job did this international team do, do you think, of piecing together what caused this crash?
　　PETER GOELZ, Former Managing Director, NTSB: I think they did an extraordinary job. I read the report late last night and this morning. It's almost 300 pages in length. It is detailed5. It is factual. And it's very sober.
　　JUDY WOODRUFF: So, among other things, I'm struck by how it describes pieces of shrapnel from this missile, paint from the missile embedded6 in the bodies of the crew and people who were sitting in the front of the plane. Does it leave any doubt of the kind of missile that hit right at the — what they said, a meter from the plane?
　　PETER GOELZ: Yes, no, there's no doubt about the type of missile or where it struck.
　　I mean, when a missile detonates in that proximity7 to the aircraft, it leaves very distinctive8 marks, as you can see, on the nose of the aircraft. And these holes, these hundreds of holes, they have microscopic9 bits of the metal, of the piece of shrapnel sometimes in the hole. And you can trace it back to the source.
　　JUDY WOODRUFF: And we heard the Dutch investigator call it the 9N314 missile. What does it tell you, Peter Goelz, that is a missile that blew up just outside the plane? It didn't hit the plane. It blew up before it struck the plane.
　　PETER GOELZ: Now, the more recent missiles have what they call proximity fuses. And they are driven by radar10. It senses when they're in close proximity to their target and they explode and disperse11 the shrapnel in a very defined way.
　　We did tests in 1997 at the China Lake Missile Center in which the U.S., we detonated warheads near pieces of aircraft skin, the metal, the aluminum12. And we saw the very distinctive patterns that they left. So the investigators13 knew what they were looking for and knew what they had when they found it.
　　JUDY WOODRUFF: It is possible to say one side or another would have had this kind of missile? We know the Russians are saying, no, we don't have this missile in our arsenal14 anymore; the Ukrainians were using this.
　　PETER GOELZ: Well, I think that the investigators that I have spoken to who were involved in this time-consuming effort have indicated that there is other information available from intelligence sources that indicate where this missile was launched from, and that it's very clear that it was well inside the separatist territory.
　　JUDY WOODRUFF: So is it possible, do you think it will eventually be possible to say this was the source, this is who fired that missile?
　　PETER GOELZ: Yes, I think the truth comes out.
　　After KAL 007 was shot down off the Soviet15 Union, it took years, and it took years of activism on the part of family members, but eventually the Russians admitted what happened. I think it will take time, but the truth will come out in this case as well.
　　JUDY WOODRUFF: And one other thing, the discussion today about whether this plane, passenger plane should have been flying over an area of conflict?
　　PETER GOELZ: That is probably the most important recommendation that the Dutch made. You know, that day, there had been almost 150 aircraft traveling along that airway16, the same one that Malaysia…JUDY WOODRUFF: Passenger planes.
　　PETER GOELZ: That's right. These are passengers planes.
　　And what they said was that there was very poor coordination17 between the civil aviation authorities and the government, and the governments at play, and that they probably shouldn't have been there in that area of conflict, because planes at lower altitudes, mind you, had been being shot down, that greater attention has to be paid to the safety of the airways18.
　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Peter Goelz, we thank you very much.
　　PETER GOELZ: Thank you.
 

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1 investigator zRQzo     
n.研究者，调查者，审查者
参考例句：
  • He was a special investigator for the FBI.他是联邦调查局的特别调查员。
  • The investigator was able to deduce the crime and find the criminal.调查者能够推出犯罪过程并锁定罪犯。
2 oversaw 1175bee226edb4f0a38466d02f3baa27     
v.监督，监视( oversee的过去式 )
参考例句：
  • He will go down as the president who oversaw two historic transitions. 他将作为见证了巴西两次历史性转变的总统，安然引退。 来自互联网
  • Dixon oversaw the project as creative director of Design Research Studio. 狄克逊监督项目的创意总监设计研究工作室。 来自互联网
3 investigation MRKzq     
n.调查，调查研究
参考例句：
  • In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
  • He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。
4 speculation 9vGwe     
n.思索，沉思；猜测；投机
参考例句：
  • Her mind is occupied with speculation.她的头脑忙于思考。
  • There is widespread speculation that he is going to resign.人们普遍推测他要辞职。
5 detailed xuNzms     
adj.详细的，详尽的，极注意细节的，完全的
参考例句：
  • He had made a detailed study of the terrain.他对地形作了缜密的研究。
  • A detailed list of our publications is available on request.我们的出版物有一份详细的目录备索。
6 embedded lt9ztS     
a.扎牢的
参考例句：
  • an operation to remove glass that was embedded in his leg 取出扎入他腿部玻璃的手术
  • He has embedded his name in the minds of millions of people. 他的名字铭刻在数百万人民心中。
7 proximity 5RsxM     
n.接近，邻近
参考例句：
  • Marriages in proximity of blood are forbidden by the law.法律规定禁止近亲结婚。
  • Their house is in close proximity to ours.他们的房子很接近我们的。
8 distinctive Es5xr     
adj.特别的，有特色的，与众不同的
参考例句：
  • She has a very distinctive way of walking.她走路的样子与别人很不相同。
  • This bird has several distinctive features.这个鸟具有几种突出的特征。
9 microscopic nDrxq     
adj.微小的，细微的，极小的，显微的
参考例句：
  • It's impossible to read his microscopic handwriting.不可能看清他那极小的书写字迹。
  • A plant's lungs are the microscopic pores in its leaves.植物的肺就是其叶片上微细的气孔。
10 radar kTUxx     
n.雷达，无线电探测器
参考例句：
  • They are following the flight of an aircraft by radar.他们正在用雷达追踪一架飞机的飞行。
  • Enemy ships were detected on the radar.敌舰的影像已显现在雷达上。
11 disperse ulxzL     
vi.使分散；使消失；vt.分散；驱散
参考例句：
  • The cattle were swinging their tails to disperse the flies.那些牛甩动着尾巴驱赶苍蝇。
  • The children disperse for the holidays.孩子们放假了。
12 aluminum 9xhzP     
n.(aluminium)铝
参考例句：
  • The aluminum sheets cannot be too much thicker than 0.04 inches.铝板厚度不能超过0.04英寸。
  • During the launch phase,it would ride in a protective aluminum shell.在发射阶段，它盛在一只保护的铝壳里。
13 investigators e970f9140785518a87fc81641b7c89f7     
n.调查者，审查者( investigator的名词复数 )
参考例句：
  • This memo could be the smoking gun that investigators have been looking for. 这份备忘录可能是调查人员一直在寻找的证据。
  • The team consisted of six investigators and two secretaries. 这个团队由六个调查人员和两个秘书组成。 来自《简明英汉词典》
14 arsenal qNPyF     
n.兵工厂，军械库
参考例句：
  • Even the workers at the arsenal have got a secret organization.兵工厂工人暗中也有组织。
  • We must be the great arsenal of democracy.我们必须成为民主的大军火库。
15 Soviet Sw9wR     
adj.苏联的，苏维埃的；n.苏维埃
参考例句：
  • Zhukov was a marshal of the former Soviet Union.朱可夫是前苏联的一位元帅。
  • Germany began to attack the Soviet Union in 1941.德国在1941年开始进攻苏联。
16 airway xzez8W     
n.空中航线，通风口
参考例句：
  • Lay them on their side and ensure the airway is unobstructed.让他们侧躺着，并确保呼吸道畅通。
  • There is a purple airway in London Airport.伦敦机场里有一条皇家专用飞机跑道。
17 coordination Ho8zt     
n.协调，协作
参考例句：
  • Gymnastics is a sport that requires a considerable level of coordination.体操是一项需要高协调性的运动。
  • The perfect coordination of the dancers and singers added a rhythmic charm to the performance.舞蹈演员和歌手们配合得很好，使演出更具魅力。
18 AIRWAYS 5a794ea66d6229951550b106ef7caa7a     
航空公司
参考例句：
  • The giant jets that increasingly dominate the world's airways. 越来越称雄于世界航线的巨型喷气机。
  • At one point the company bought from Nippon Airways a 727 jet. 有一次公司从日本航空公司买了一架727型喷气机。

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