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AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

Dylan Marron makes videos about social justice issues. And his videos get shared. They get comments. And he reads those comments. Some are supportive. But this being the Internet, others are pretty harsh with offensive language.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

DYLAN MARRON: You are a piece of [expletive]. You're so dumb. You regularly say things that 100 percent makes the situation worse, and you do it to signal how virtuous1 you are.

CORNISH: So many of us would just ignore a message like that, right? Not Marron. He got an idea for a podcast. He invites his detractors to actually talk with him about what sets them off and why.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, "CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO HATE ME")

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #1: Oh, like I said to you before, I had a couple cocktails2 in me. But look; let me tell you. I stand by most of what I said. I do stand by most of what I said not about you personally, but about social justice warriors3.

CORNISH: Dylan Marron's podcast is now in its second season. And the title is "Conversations With People Who Hate Me." Note that's people, not trolls.

MARRON: I definitely used to use the word troll. I don't like it anymore because I also think that is starting the conversation at a deficit4. You know what I mean? It's like I want to make sure we are in as safe a space as possible. And I know that's a very zeitgeisty term right now. But I want to also make a safe space for the person who wrote me or my guest something negative.

CORNISH: What is the pitch? I mean, I guess I can kind of understand someone agreeing to meet with a person who's been their Internet hater. But when you call up the person who's been the critic, what is that phone call like?

MARRON: The simple line I give is, do you want to move this online conversation offline? I think there's something about a phone that is a happy medium. It's not in person, so we're still apart. But it's that real time conversation. You hear someone's voice. You hear their um's (ph) and uh's (ph). You hear their hesitation5. And that goes for all of us on the call, including me. And there's something so humanizing about that and disarming6. Almost invariably my guests will say, listen; I shouldn't have said that. I might agree with the core thing that was driving me to say that, but I was a little too intense about it.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, "CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO HATE ME")

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: I'm not a very open-minded person. I'm the kind of person that sees someone who is different than me, and I immediately kind of feel uncomfortable.

CORNISH: The first season was all about your haters basically (laughter), your people/haters. This season you're pairing people who've received negative comments with the person who wrote the negative comment. And I want to talk about an episode called "Burned At The Stake." And in this episode, this writer named Jaya has done some, you know, critique of "The Office," the old NBC comedy.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, "CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO HATE ME")

JAYA: I can't watch "The Office" as not a woman. I can't watch "The Office" as not a person of Indian heritage. When I watch Michael Scott, you know, make racist7 remarks to Kelly, I can't not be...

CORNISH: She's essentially8 saying, hey, there are some things in here that I find somewhat offensive. I don't know if the show really holds up today. And (laughter) her critic Tom took offense9 and essentially commented that anyone who felt that way should be burned at the stake.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, "CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO HATE ME")

TOM: And I kind of personally blew your article off as, you know, like, come on. You know, I think you said - correct me if I'm wrong, please - that it, like, kind of more or less doesn't really belong on TV in our generation.

JAYA: Well, I think more...

CORNISH: I have noticed - and I haven't listened to all the episodes, but almost all the episodes I've listened to were from the point of a progressive person who is addressing or dealing10 with a comment from a person who is kind of politically opposed to their ideas. And having covered elections, there are lots (laughter) of progressives and left-leaning people who leave nasty comments.

MARRON: Oh, yeah.

CORNISH: Does it undermine the idea of open-mindedness if essentially the conversations are you and another progressive person telling a conservative person they may be wrong about something or that they need to open their eyes in some way?

MARRON: I am not pretending to be some sort of bipartisan moderator in the sense that of course I have a stake in this, right? I clearly agree more with one side. But that still doesn't mean I can't foster a space for meaningful, nuanced dialogue.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, "CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO HATE ME")

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #3: So feminism is just the equality between the genders11 to me.

MARRON: Andrew (ph), how would you define feminism?

ANDREW: Pretty much as far opposite as you can get. I'd define it as an anti-white, anti-male supremacy12 movement.

CORNISH: Sometimes when I listened to the episodes, I was like, I cannot. This is too stressful. This is too cringey. This is too awkward.

MARRON: Yeah.

CORNISH: How do you manage? I mean, do you - like, this sounds exhausting.

MARRON: You know, it's actually not. I love the calls. I love the calls so much. The calls make me feel like maybe the world is good after all because someone who thinks very differently from me, someone with whom I shared a very negative introduction, they are willing to talk. There are at least a handful of people who I've come across who are willing to own up to things they've written online. And it gives me hope.

CORNISH: Dylan Marron - he's the creator of the podcast "Conversations With People Who Hate Me." Thank you for speaking with ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

MARRON: Thank you so much for having me.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "THESE DARK TIMES")

CAGED ANIMALS: (Singing) Ooh, we're erasing13...


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1 virtuous upCyI     
adj.有品德的,善良的,贞洁的,有效力的
参考例句:
  • She was such a virtuous woman that everybody respected her.她是个有道德的女性,人人都尊敬她。
  • My uncle is always proud of having a virtuous wife.叔叔一直为娶到一位贤德的妻子而骄傲。
2 cocktails a8cac8f94e713cc85d516a6e94112418     
n.鸡尾酒( cocktail的名词复数 );餐前开胃菜;混合物
参考例句:
  • Come about 4 o'clock. We'll have cocktails and grill steaks. 请四点钟左右来,我们喝鸡尾酒,吃烤牛排。 来自辞典例句
  • Cocktails were a nasty American habit. 喝鸡尾酒是讨厌的美国习惯。 来自辞典例句
3 warriors 3116036b00d464eee673b3a18dfe1155     
武士,勇士,战士( warrior的名词复数 )
参考例句:
  • I like reading the stories ofancient warriors. 我喜欢读有关古代武士的故事。
  • The warriors speared the man to death. 武士们把那个男子戳死了。
4 deficit tmAzu     
n.亏空,亏损;赤字,逆差
参考例句:
  • The directors have reported a deficit of 2.5 million dollars.董事们报告赤字为250万美元。
  • We have a great deficit this year.我们今年有很大亏损。
5 hesitation tdsz5     
n.犹豫,踌躇
参考例句:
  • After a long hesitation, he told the truth at last.踌躇了半天,他终于直说了。
  • There was a certain hesitation in her manner.她的态度有些犹豫不决。
6 disarming Muizaq     
adj.消除敌意的,使人消气的v.裁军( disarm的现在分词 );使息怒
参考例句:
  • He flashed her a disarming smile. 他朝她笑了一下,让她消消气。 来自《简明英汉词典》
  • We will agree to disarming troops and leaving their weapons at military positions. 我们将同意解除军队的武装并把武器留在军事阵地。 来自辞典例句
7 racist GSRxZ     
n.种族主义者,种族主义分子
参考例句:
  • a series of racist attacks 一连串的种族袭击行为
  • His speech presented racist ideas under the guise of nationalism. 他的讲话以民族主义为幌子宣扬种族主义思想。
8 essentially nntxw     
adv.本质上,实质上,基本上
参考例句:
  • Really great men are essentially modest.真正的伟人大都很谦虚。
  • She is an essentially selfish person.她本质上是个自私自利的人。
9 offense HIvxd     
n.犯规,违法行为;冒犯,得罪
参考例句:
  • I hope you will not take any offense at my words. 对我讲的话请别见怪。
  • His words gave great offense to everybody present.他的发言冲犯了在场的所有人。
10 dealing NvjzWP     
n.经商方法,待人态度
参考例句:
  • This store has an excellent reputation for fair dealing.该商店因买卖公道而享有极高的声誉。
  • His fair dealing earned our confidence.他的诚实的行为获得我们的信任。
11 genders 83bb1a3a9f58b3256de7992ae4edb965     
n.性某些语言的(阳性、阴性和中性,不同的性有不同的词尾等)( gender的名词复数 );性别;某些语言的(名词、代词和形容词)性的区分
参考例句:
  • There are three genders in German: masculine, feminine and neuter. 德语中有叁性:阳性、阴性和中性。 来自辞典例句
  • Japan was fourth among the genders of foreign students. 日本在二十个留美学生输送地中列第四位。 来自互联网
12 supremacy 3Hzzd     
n.至上;至高权力
参考例句:
  • No one could challenge her supremacy in gymnastics.她是最优秀的体操运动员,无人能胜过她。
  • Theoretically,she holds supremacy as the head of the state.从理论上说,她作为国家的最高元首拥有至高无上的权力。
13 erasing 363d15bcbcde17f34d1f11e0acce66fc     
v.擦掉( erase的现在分词 );抹去;清除
参考例句:
  • He was like a sponge, erasing the past, soaking up the future. 他象一块海绵,挤出过去,吸进未来。 来自辞典例句
  • Suddenly, fear overtook longing, erasing memories. 突然,恐惧淹没了渴望,泯灭了回忆。 来自辞典例句

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