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MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

Jane Fonda has lived many lives from starlet to fitness guru to Vietnam protester and now a comedic actress, securing roles at an age when most people in Hollywood have left the screen. A new documentary on HBO is called "Jane Fonda In Five Acts." Our co-host Ari Shapiro talked with her about it.

ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:

When I asked Jane Fonda about the transformations1 she's gone through in her 80 years, she recalled a conversation she had with her daughter two decades ago.

JANE FONDA: I said, would you help me, you know, make a video of my life, a real short one? And she said, why don't you just get a chameleon2 to crawl across the screen? Ouch. She knew what buttons to push. And she wasn't wrong.

SHAPIRO: Part of Jane Fonda's fame comes from the fact that she's pushed a lot of people's buttons over the years, including President Richard Nixon. That was after she visited North Vietnam, posed in a photo with a Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and got the nickname Hanoi Jane. The film begins with an excerpt3 from the Nixon tapes. And Jane Fonda told me she has heard this so many times over the decades she practically has it memorized.

J. FONDA: What's the matter with Jane Fonda? I feel so sorry...

(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "JANE FONDA IN FIVE ACTS")

RICHARD NIXON: So sorry for Henry Fonda, who's a nice man.

J. FONDA: She's a good actress.

(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "JANE FONDA IN FIVE ACTS")

NIXON: She's a great actress.

J. FONDA: She looks good.

(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "JANE FONDA IN FIVE ACTS")

NIXON: She looks pretty but, boy, she's often on the wrong track.

J. FONDA: But she sure has taken a wrong path.

(LAUGHTER)

SHAPIRO: What does that represent to you?

J. FONDA: I'm here, and he's not (laughter).

SHAPIRO: Yeah.

J. FONDA: I mean, I feel bad that he felt that way, but I can laugh about it now. And I think it's a great way to begin this documentary.

SHAPIRO: You have told your own story before in a memoir4. You allowed someone else to tell this story for you. You did not direct or executive produce this film.

J. FONDA: Right. I never saw it until it was all done. And I think it was really smart that she divided it the way she did, into these five acts.

SHAPIRO: She of course being Susan Lacy, the director.

J. FONDA: Susan Lacy, who created American Masters at PBS and has now moved to HBO. The four acts being the men in my life, my father and then my three husbands, and then the fifth act is Jane. And it's kind of - becomes a gender5 journey more clearly that way.

SHAPIRO: The first major male influence on your life was your father, the great actor Henry Fonda. And you describe him as emotionally open and authentic6 on screen but distant in real life. And you finally found a way to bridge that gap on film with the movie "On Golden Pond" in 1981.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "ON GOLDEN POND")

J. FONDA: (As Chelsea Thayer Wayne) Hello, Norman.

HENRY FONDA: (Norman Thayer Jr.) Oh.

J. FONDA: (As Chelsea Thayer Wayne) Happy birthday.

H. FONDA: (Norman Thayer Jr.) Look at you. Look at this little fat girl, Ethel.

SHAPIRO: And there's this one scene where you and your father playing father and daughter have this heartfelt conversation. And in the film, you reveal something that you had planned for this scene without telling him.

J. FONDA: Well, he hated emotion. Emotion terrified him, which is pretty interesting in an actor. And I did something that we had not rehearsed that I hoped would bring some emotion up. And I reached out, and I touched his arm.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "ON GOLDEN POND")

J. FONDA: (As Chelsea Thayer Wayne) I want to be your friend.

H. FONDA: (As Norman Thayer Jr.) Oh. This mean you'll come around more often? Mean a lot to your mother.

J. FONDA: (As Chelsea Thayer Wayne) I'll come around more often.

And he ducks his head, and he reaches his hand up to cover his eyes. But before that, I could see his eyes well up. I cry every time I see it. I cry so hard. It was so hard for me to do.

SHAPIRO: And when the cameras stopped rolling, were you ever able to have a conversation about what that had opened up?

J. FONDA: Well, I tried. I asked if I could come over for dinner where he and his wife, Shirlee, were staying on location. And they had me over. And I described what doing the scene had meant to me. And I asked him if - you know, if he could relate to any of that. He said no.

(LAUGHTER)

J. FONDA: But you know something? One of the great things about getting older - if you've bothered to really examine your life and really figure out who your parents were, you come to the realization7 as I did with my father that it's not that he didn't love me. He just didn't know how to express it. But he did the best he could. And I was able to forgive him. And I love him so much. And I miss him a lot.

SHAPIRO: When I told my mother that I was going to be interviewing you - and I'm sure you've heard this from probably thousands of women over the years - she said, Jane Fonda made me comfortable exercising 'cause I didn't want to go out in public to a gym in front of people, but I was OK putting the videotape in my VCR at home and exercising...

J. FONDA: Right.

SHAPIRO: ...With Jane.

J. FONDA: Oh.

SHAPIRO: How did that become part of your identity? Where did you learn the routines that you became so famous for?

J. FONDA: I learned the routine - the original routine from a woman named Lenny Kasdan (ph). And I turned it into a business because at the time Tom Hayden, my second husband, and I had started a statewide organization in California called the California Campaign for Economic Democracy. And I said, I got to start a business that can fund the organization. And it was the workout. All the money went to the Campaign for Economic Democracy.

SHAPIRO: I had no idea. I assumed that you got rich off of these videotapes, and actually it all went to fund this nonprofit.

J. FONDA: Yeah. Eventually I bought it back after three or four years because I wanted to grow the business, and I couldn't because all the dividends8 were going out to the organization. But it was an important organization, and the money really made a difference. It was terrific. I'm very proud of that.

SHAPIRO: You have so many projects going on right now from "Grace And Frankie," the wonderful Netflix comedy, to rumors9 - or are they more than rumors? - of "9 To 5," the seminal10 movie, coming back with many members of the original cast.

J. FONDA: Well, we have writers working on a script for a sequel with a very funny premise11. And I'm hoping it will happen because guess what? It needs to happen. The issues and offices for women today are even worse than they were back in the day when we made the original.

SHAPIRO: Even worse - that's interesting to hear you say.

J. FONDA: Yeah. There are several reasons. Sexual harassment12 is not abating13 in offices. But today many people in all kinds of jobs, not just office workers - they're not beholden to the boss. They're hired by another company and then subcontracted to the company where they work so if they're fired because of pregnancy14 or there's wage theft or sexual harassment, who do they go to? I mean, it's just a catastrophe15. And we want to try to hit all that and still have it be really funny.

SHAPIRO: You are constantly working and on screen today. You seem to be in great health. And as we talk about this "Jane Fonda In Five Acts" documentary, I wonder what you've learned about this final act and what you want to get out of it.

J. FONDA: Well, one thing I've learned is in order to know where you're going, you have to know where you've been. One thing I knew is I did not want to die the way my father did. He died with regrets. I live, I am happy to say, a very examined life. And one of the things I hope that people will take away from my documentary is the value of an examined life. You know, you don't become wise by having a lot of experience. You become wise by reflecting deeply on the experiences that you've had. And that's what I've tried to do. And it's made all the difference to me in my life now at 80 years - I'm almost 81, and I feel better than I ever have. I know that sounds preposterous16, but it's true.

SHAPIRO: Jane Fonda, it's been a pleasure talking with you. Thanks so much.

J. FONDA: I appreciate it very much. Love the show.

SHAPIRO: The new HBO film by director Susan Lacy is "Jane Fonda In Five Acts."


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1 transformations dfc3424f78998e0e9ce8980c12f60650     
n.变化( transformation的名词复数 );转换;转换;变换
参考例句:
  • Energy transformations go on constantly, all about us. 在我们周围,能量始终在不停地转换着。 来自辞典例句
  • On the average, such transformations balance out. 平均起来,这种转化可以互相抵消。 来自辞典例句
2 chameleon YUWy2     
n.变色龙,蜥蜴;善变之人
参考例句:
  • The chameleon changes colour to match its surroundings.变色龙变换颜色以适应环境。
  • The chameleon can take on the colour of its background.变色龙可呈现出与其背景相同的颜色。
3 excerpt hzVyv     
n.摘录,选录,节录
参考例句:
  • This is an excerpt from a novel.这是一部小说的摘录。
  • Can you excerpt something from the newspaper? 你能从报纸上选录些东西吗?
4 memoir O7Hz7     
n.[pl.]回忆录,自传;记事录
参考例句:
  • He has just published a memoir in honour of his captain.他刚刚出了一本传记来纪念他的队长。
  • In her memoir,the actress wrote about the bittersweet memories of her first love.在那个女演员的自传中,她写到了自己苦乐掺半的初恋。
5 gender slSyD     
n.(生理上的)性,(名词、代词等的)性
参考例句:
  • French differs from English in having gender for all nouns.法语不同于英语,所有的名词都有性。
  • Women are sometimes denied opportunities solely because of their gender.妇女有时仅仅因为性别而无法获得种种机会。
6 authentic ZuZzs     
a.真的,真正的;可靠的,可信的,有根据的
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  • This is an authentic news report. We can depend on it. 这是篇可靠的新闻报道, 我们相信它。
  • Autumn is also the authentic season of renewal. 秋天才是真正的除旧布新的季节。
7 realization nTwxS     
n.实现;认识到,深刻了解
参考例句:
  • We shall gladly lend every effort in our power toward its realization.我们将乐意为它的实现而竭尽全力。
  • He came to the realization that he would never make a good teacher.他逐渐认识到自己永远不会成为好老师。
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红利( dividend的名词复数 ); 股息; 被除数; (足球彩票的)彩金
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  • Nothing pays richer dividends than magnanimity. 没有什么比宽宏大量更能得到厚报。
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n.传闻( rumor的名词复数 );[古]名誉;咕哝;[古]喧嚷v.传闻( rumor的第三人称单数 );[古]名誉;咕哝;[古]喧嚷
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  • Rumors have it that the school was burned down. 有谣言说学校给烧掉了。 来自《简明英汉词典》
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10 seminal Qzrwo     
adj.影响深远的;种子的
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  • The reforms have been a seminal event in the history of the NHS.这些改革已成为英国国民保健制度史上影响深远的一件大事。
  • The emperor's importance as a seminal figure of history won't be diminished.做为一个开创性历史人物的重要性是不会减弱的。
11 premise JtYyy     
n.前提;v.提论,预述
参考例句:
  • Let me premise my argument with a bit of history.让我引述一些史实作为我立论的前提。
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n.骚扰,扰乱,烦恼,烦乱
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  • She often got telephone harassment at night these days.这些天她经常在夜晚受到电话骚扰。
  • The company prohibits any form of harassment.公司禁止任何形式的骚扰行为。
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减少( abate的现在分词 ); 减去; 降价; 撤消(诉讼)
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  • The storm showed no signs of abating. 暴风雨没有减弱的迹象。
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n.怀孕,怀孕期
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  • Early pregnancy is often accompanied by nausea.怀孕早期常有恶心的现象。
  • Smoking during pregnancy increases the risk of miscarriage.怀孕期吸烟会增加流产的危险。
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n.大灾难,大祸
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adj.荒谬的,可笑的
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