PBS高端访谈:罗伯特·穆勒正在扩大对俄罗斯的调查

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　　She's the justice correspondent for NPR. Carrie, welcome back to the program. Happy to be here.

　　First of all, define for us, what is obstruction of justice?

　　There's a bunch of obstruction of justice statutes³ on the books, Judy, but, in plain language, it means trying to interfere⁴ with or impede⁵ an official proceeding⁶,

　　something like a grand jury investigation, a congressional investigation.

　　And prosecutors⁷ would have to prove some kind of bad intent by the person involved.

　　And so tell us what you have been able to learn about how the special counsel is looking into this.

　　And, by the way, we know it's been reported that they're also looking into potential financial misdeeds.

　　Yes, the special counsel investigation appears to be running on three tracks now, one probing any Russian interference in the election,

　　two, probing any financial misdealings in connection with that interference by associates of the Trump⁸ campaign and Russians,

　　and, three, probing obstruction of justice by the president himself in the firing of James Comey, the FBI director he ousted⁹ last month because, he later said, to take some pressure off the Russia thing.

　　So, this is clearly, Carrie, an expansion of what it was originally said the special counsel's mission was here.

　　I think it's another layer. We knew at the time that the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein,

　　appointed Bob Mueller special counsel that his mandate¹⁰ included crimes that arose or may have arisen in connection with the investigation.

　　Of course, obstruction of justice may have arisen in connection with this investigation in the president and his leaning on Comey allegedly to go light on Michael Flynn, the national security adviser¹¹.

　　We have also been hearing in the last few days, Carrie, about some of the professionals that the special counsel, Bob Mueller, has hired, brought on board for his team. Tell us about them.

　　It's a breathtaking array of prosecutorial¹² talent, Judy, from a man who had experience prosecuting¹³ the Watergate scandal, a former FBI agent, Andrew Weissmann,

　　who led the Justice Department's fraud and money-laundering section, Jeannie Rhee, who had been a top lawyer in the Obama administration's DOJ,

　　finally, Michael Dreeben, the deputy solicitor¹⁴ general, the man many lawyers in Justice think is the most respected guy in the whole department.

　　So, what does that tell you about what Mr. Mueller and they will be — and his team will be looking for?

　　Well, it signals that special counsel Mueller knows there are a number of thorny¹⁵ legal issues involved here, everything from financial dealings and tracking the money,

　　to complicated questions of executive privilege with respect to the president, his aides, and conversations he might have had with people outside the government as well.

　　And Michael Dreeben, the deputy solicitor general, is well-known for making criminal convictions stick in appeals courts. So they're settling in for the long haul here.

　　Is it your understanding, from what you have been able to learn, that Mr. Mueller is now finished, that the team is done, or that he's continuing to hire, bring people on?

　　They have not given us a formal update. He's not yet submitted a formal budget to the Justice Department.

　　And I'm hearing from sources in and outside the government that more people are clamoring to join this team.

　　They view it as a major public service. And working with Bob Mueller, who had been the FBI director for 12 years,

　　with his reputation for integrity, is something that a lot of people inside the government want to do still.

　　And, finally, what are you hearing about how long this could go on? How long is it going to take?

　　There is no prediction at this point. Of course, all these investigators¹⁶ could dig and dig and dig and find nothing.

　　At the end of that time, they may want to do a report that becomes public, or they may find something they want to charge with a grand jury.

　　And it's unpredictable right now who they might charge, if anyone, and whether that person might want to fight it out in court for months or years to come.

　　Finally, Judy, with respect to the president himself, no evidence yet he will face any charges whatsoever¹⁷,

　　but there is a complicated legal question of whether you can actually indict¹⁸ a sitting president of the United States or turn that evidence over to Congress for possible impeachment¹⁹.

　　A complicated legal question. And we can assume some folks are looking into that.

　　I think a lot of folks are looking into that. It arose during Watergate, of course, and was never fully²⁰ answered. We may yet get an answer in this investigation before it's over.

　　Carrie Johnson of NPR, we thank you. Thank you. undefined

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