访谈录 Interview 2007-06-26&06-28, 专访前世行行长

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I think the people in Gaza have been disappointed up to now. You would remember that at one point, 18 months ago, there was in mind the production of flours and fruits in Gaza, and opening of the borders with Israel, and airport, the seaport¹, the linkage² with Egypt, the linkage between Gaza and the West Bank. And I think many Palestinians have looked at the inability to carry through their promise as being a very bad mark against the western contributors. And so I think that there is a lot of apprehension³ there, I am not sure there is a great deal of trust. And I think what you got when they came in with Hamas, was all turning away from Fatah, because they could not deliver and they were trying someone else and I think it is an uncertain question that people would immediately turn back to Fatah as a result of this.

As a financial man yourself, you must be aware of the logistical difficulties of funneling⁴ money, not only to the West Bank, but particularly to Gaza, humanitarian⁵ aid that Israel says it wants to see delivered. I'm on a wider note, on a global scale, how are institutions fixed⁶, logistically, to deliver all the aid that is so much talked about in this era of globalization?

Well, I think it's, you're hitting on a very, very difficult question, because if you take just that segment of aid, which is given globally to developing countries, the poorer countries, you can say that's roughly a 100 billion dollars. And by my estimates, which are drawn⁷ from my colleagues' estimates, you'd be lucky if a quarter of that in cash gets to the recipients⁸. There are overlays of advisers⁹, certain intermediaries, and in the case of, of Gaza, and the West Bank, I think it is not the similar.

On a wider scale, it's a huge problem - the growing gap between rich and poor. And do you think that institutions, I think.. you've spoken that institutions themselves need to be overhauled¹⁰, such as the World Bank, for example.

Well, I think, I think that very roughly you've got six billion or so people in the planet; you have a billion people who are relatively¹¹ well-off. And you got five billion people that are in varying degrees of development. In forty, fifty years' time, it will be 9 billion people. And the people in the rich group of a billion might be a billion one. All the rest will go to the developing countries. And we have a tremendous challenge in the world that to be able to make a transition from a world which we previously¹² understood that 80, 90 percent of the world should be with the rich, with the Europeans, with the Americans, even with the Australians, and now understand that with China and India coming along, you have global superpowers that are being created in the next 30 or 40 years. And behind that you still have a billion or so people who will have nothing. They will be living under a dollar a day. And the challenge for all of us is what you do with the people in group three and four in the world, the people that are not growing much, and the people that are literally¹³ going backwards¹⁴?