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In its third hearing, the House Jan. 6 panel will hear from 2 witnesses

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The House select committee investigating the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol will focus on how ex- President Donald Trump2 pressured then-Vice3 President Mike Pence not to count lawful4 electoral votes.

RACHEL MARTIN, HOST:

Today, the January 6 House committee is focused on Donald Trump's pressure campaign against his own vice president, trying to get Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election results. Pence presided over an electoral vote count that day at the Capitol.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

MIKE PENCE: To those who wreaked5 havoc6 in our Capitol today, you did not win.

MARTIN: Pence had to be evacuated7 from the House floor to a secret location as rioters storming the Capitol shouted hang Mike Pence. This after Trump told a rally earlier in the day that he'd be, quote, "very disappointed" if Pence certified8 the vote. I talked with NPR's Claudia Grisales about what is coming in today's hearing.

Is the panel going to demonstrate today that Pence was in real danger?

CLAUDIA GRISALES, BYLINE9: Yes. Select panel aides say they will show that danger Pence faced as a result of blocking Trump's effort to reject the 2020 election result. We'll hear from two witnesses. Pence's former White House counsel Greg Jacob and retired10 Judge Michael Luttig both were part of a team that pushed back against this Trump pressure campaign. This campaign also included Trump allies such as lawyer John Eastman. He wrote a memo11 instructing Pence how to step out of his largely ceremonial constitutional role during last year's certification of the election's results and try to throw the election Trump's way.

MARTIN: So Eastman - this is Trump's lawyer again - he's working behind the scenes to try and overturn the election?

GRISALES: Yes. Exactly. In a preview shared by the panel, former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann told investigators12 he told Eastman the day after the January 6 attack some choice words. And this exchange illustrates13 the palpable anger. Eastman was still talking about legal challenges. And Herschmann recounted what he told him.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

ERIC HERSCHMANN: I don't want to hear any other F-ing (ph) words coming out of your mouth other than orderly transition. Repeat those words to me. And eventually, he said, orderly transition. I said, good, John.

GRISALES: Herschmann said that was followed by a tip he gave Eastman.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

HERSCHMANN: Now I'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. Get a great F-ing criminal defense14 lawyer. You're going to need it. And then I hung up on him.

GRISALES: And so that, in some way, sets the stage for this legal battle that follows the fallout from actions Eastman and others pursued on Trump's behalf to try and undo15 the election's results.

MARTIN: Wow. So I mean, this is a split that continues to this day - right? - Pence...

GRISALES: Right.

MARTIN: ...And his allies against Trump and those who remain close to him. What other members of Pence's team could we hear from today?

GRISALES: Committee aides also expect to share clips of testimony16 from former Pence chief of staff Marc Short. He saw Pence rewrite his remarks in the chamber17 to make clear he would not follow through with Eastman's or Trump's demands. Short also witnessed Pence's side of heated conversations with Trump on the day of the attack.

MARTIN: So the committee's schedule has been a bit in flux18. They postponed19 a hearing yesterday. What is the plan moving ahead?

GRISALES: There's more hearings this month to focus on this Trump pressure campaign, at least two next week. For example, some areas they're going to look at is how he tried to influence the Justice Department and how he influenced the mob that day during the attack. For now, we have those two hearings next week. Those two, but more could be added later this month. And they expect to issue a final report and release depositions20 of more than a thousand witnesses who have appeared later this year.

MARTIN: OK. NPR congressional correspondent Claudia Grisales. Thank you, Claudia.

GRISALES: Thank you much.


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n.抄本，誊本，副本，肄业证书
参考例句：
  • A transcript of the tapes was presented as evidence in court.一份录音带的文字本作为证据被呈交法庭。
  • They wouldn't let me have a transcript of the interview.他们拒绝给我一份采访的文字整理稿。
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n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭
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  • He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
  • The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。
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n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的
参考例句：
  • He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
  • They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。
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adj.法律许可的，守法的，合法的
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  • It is not lawful to park in front of a hydrant.在消火栓前停车是不合法的。
  • We don't recognised him to be the lawful heir.我们不承认他为合法继承人。
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诉诸（武力），施行（暴力），发（脾气）( wreak的过去式和过去分词 )
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  • They have wreaked dreadful havoc among the wildlife by shooting and trapping. 他们射杀和诱捕野生动物，造成了严重的破坏。
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n.大破坏，浩劫，大混乱，大杂乱
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  • The earthquake wreaked havoc on the city.地震对这个城市造成了大破坏。
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撤退者的
参考例句：
  • Police evacuated nearby buildings. 警方已将附近大楼的居民疏散。
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  • We wish to thank the author of this article which carries no byline.我们要感谢这篇文章的那位没有署名的作者。
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adj.隐退的，退休的，退役的
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  • The old man retired to the country for rest.这位老人下乡休息去了。
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n.照会，备忘录；便笺；通知书；规章
参考例句：
  • Do you want me to send the memo out?您要我把这份备忘录分发出去吗？
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n.调查者，审查者( investigator的名词复数 )
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  • This memo could be the smoking gun that investigators have been looking for. 这份备忘录可能是调查人员一直在寻找的证据。
  • The team consisted of six investigators and two secretaries. 这个团队由六个调查人员和两个秘书组成。 来自《简明英汉词典》
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给…加插图( illustrate的第三人称单数 )； 说明； 表明； （用示例、图画等）说明
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  • This historical novel illustrates the breaking up of feudal society in microcosm. 这部历史小说是走向崩溃的封建社会的缩影。
  • Alfred Adler, a famous doctor, had an experience which illustrates this. 阿尔弗莱德 - 阿德勒是一位著名的医生，他有过可以说明这点的经历。 来自中级百科部分
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n.防御，保卫；[pl.]防务工事；辩护，答辩
参考例句：
  • The accused has the right to defense.被告人有权获得辩护。
  • The war has impacted the area with military and defense workers.战争使那个地区挤满了军队和防御工程人员。
15 undo Ok5wj     
vt.解开，松开；取消，撤销
参考例句：
  • His pride will undo him some day.他的傲慢总有一天会毁了他。
  • I managed secretly to undo a corner of the parcel.我悄悄地设法解开了包裹的一角。
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n.证词；见证，证明
参考例句：
  • The testimony given by him is dubious.他所作的证据是可疑的。
  • He was called in to bear testimony to what the police officer said.他被传入为警官所说的话作证。
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n.房间，寝室；会议厅；议院；会所
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  • For many,the dentist's surgery remains a torture chamber.对许多人来说，牙医的治疗室一直是间受刑室。
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n.流动；不断的改变
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vt.& vi.延期，缓办，（使）延迟vt.把…放在次要地位；[语]把…放在后面（或句尾）vi.（疟疾等）延缓发作（或复发）
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沉积（物）( deposition的名词复数 )； （在法庭上的）宣誓作证； 处置； 罢免
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  • The safety problems are more severe for low-pressure depositions because the processes often use concentrated gases. 对于低压淀积来说安全性问题更为突出，因为这种工艺通常使用高浓度的气体。
  • The chief method is to take depositions of parties and witnesses. 主要的方法是录取当事人和证人的宣誓证言。 来自口语例句

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